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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #12 – Jupiter Research Online Personals Analyst, Nate Elliott

Posted on September 19, 2005
Nate Elliott

OPW INTERVIEW — Sep 19, 2005 — Nate covers the online personals industry for Jupiter Research.  Before joining Jupiter he spent the internet boom years working for Doubleclick (4 years) and with Macromedia.  He took a break and then decided that being an analyst would be an interesting way to satisfy his curiosity.

Why do you work from England? 
I worked in Jupiter’s New York office for 2 years.  I wanted to move to Berlin but Jupiter doesn’t have an office there.  We did have an office in London, so they said I could move here. I got here February 1st.  I live in Clapham and work in Soho.

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What other areas do you cover?
My primary area of research is European digital home technology, which includes consumer electronics and entertainment technology.  I cover HDTV, DVR’s, home cinema, game consoles, home networks, portable media players and a range of other devices and technology focused around home entertainment.  Online dating and social networking and other online media are a smaller part of my job.  I get to play with iPods and Playstations and TV sets and I get to talk about online dating. I’m traveling a lot for work and fun…I was on the road 20 days last month.

Where is the industry headed?
The U.S. online dating market is headed for slower growth and a harder slog. Fewer consumers are showing up at the sites, and fewer are posting profiles. To keep growing revenues sites have to do a better job of converting visitors to paid subscribers. The good news is, they are getting better at that. We’ve seen the number of visitors to dating sites drop by about a third in the last year. But the number of paying subscribers is still rising marginally, which is interesting – it’s proof that conversion rates are improving. Online personals sites are also getting better at taking more money from each subscriber.  Sites with a focus on serious dating are able to charge higher monthly fees. Sites are also focusing more on 3-6-12 month memberships that extend the lifespan of a user.  I see sites getting more creative in terms of turning browsers into subscribers, because they have to.

Why is the number of unique users falling? 
The market is reaching maturity.  Two things have happened. First, people have already gone through online personals sites for the first time.  Some subscribe, and then about half of them come back for a second go. And some visit but don’t subscribe. It gets to a point where so many people have visited these sites and decided whether they want to use them, so there are fewer consumers ‘just curious’ to have a look.  It’s no longer the ‘new thing’. That’s probably why we are seeing higher conversion rates now – there are fewer window shoppers. Second, the satisfaction ratings on most dating sites aren’t fantastic.  We did a survey this January, and 35% of online daters were somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied with the sites.  Only 29% were somewhat satisfied or very satisfied.  If you have more dissatisfied users than satisfied ones, eventually it’s going to lead to fewer users.  I think that over time, you’ll see more sites focus on just casual daters or just serious daters. The services that focus have a better chance of attracting a good audience and making that audience happy.  Users self select by choosing a site – does the site market itself as a serious dating site or a casual dating site? Most of that comes down to marketing because the sites themselves are not that different. The technology and features are fundamentally the same. Their differentiation is more a factor of which audience they’re targeting. By targeting one audience or the other, and building a user base with common goals, they may be able to improve those satisfaction scores.

What are the differences with the European audience?
The European online personals market is growing pretty aggressively, which differentiates it from the U.S. industry.  The U.S. dating industry will continue to grow over the next 5 years, but it’s not growing like it used to. The US market grew 72% in 2002, and 77% in 2003, but will only grow 9% in 2005. Still, we’re forecasting it’ll grow to $516 million this year, and reach $623 million in 2009. (These numbers do include adult dating).  Europe is still seeing that impressive growth. The European industry brought in 88 million Euros last year, and we’re forecasting it’ll reach 160 million Euros in 2005 and 352 million Euros in 2009. That’s 82% growth from 2004 to 2005. So the growth is a lot faster in Europe than in the US, but it’s on a smaller base. Over time, the European market will follow the same curve as the US market, and will shown this same pattern of maturation. The population is larger in Europe, but the market differs in a couple of ways.  European online content and services tends to lag a couple of years behind what we see in the U.S.  It’s also a more difficult market; dealing with a couple dozen countries, different languages and national borders – which matters more then some of the U.S. companies might think.  There are also different media preferences to consider.  In Europe, you can’t cut one or two portal deals and cover the entire market. Each country has different portals, and even the multinational portals sometimes cut separate deals in each country. It’s all a much more fragmented landscape than you see in the US.

What are your thoughts on the relationship sites and personality profiling?
It seems like eHarmony is  doing a great job helping to grow the industry as a whole with their TV advertising?

They are.  But I wonder how much it has to do with personality profiling and how much with media spend.   I think serious dating would have been a growth area anyway, but it’s certainly growing more because of the money they’re spending and the attention they’re getting. And that has fed back into industry growth.  I think personality profiling is interesting but clearly not necessary.  Self-selection is the more important piece.  The relationship personals sites are marketing themselves to serious daters.  That marketing focus is the biggest piece of the puzzle.  Users go to those sites because they’re looking for serious relationships, and they find other people looking for the same thing, and so you’ve got a database of like-minded individuals. The actual profiling becomes almost secondary. But, the problem is, the serious dating sites have created high expectations. They say “we’re going to find you the love of your life,” and that’s really hard to actually do, and so their satisfaction scores tend to be lower. There are also examples of profiling being used in casual dating, like at Tickle, and there are basic efforts from Match and Yahoo.  But, if the idea is to have fun and do introductions for casual relationships then profiling is not a necessary part of the strategy.  For serious daters however, personality profiling is the kind of marketing message that resonates. 

How will online personals sites extend beyond the web in the future, in 5 to 10 years time?
I don’t think anyone has done a good job extending their brand beyond the internet.  There have been some interesting attempts.  Comcast (cable operator) teamed up with Hurrydate (speed dating and personals) to provide personals on cable.  There have been some efforts in the mobile dating space. They’re all interesting ideas, and in theory they all should work, but none of them have. I think the offline singles services are the only other format that can compete. Events have advantages – they’re fun, social activities, and there’s no substitute for meeting someone in person. However, online services have something that offline can’t offer; a combination of depth and anonymity. That sets them apart from event services, mobile services, classified ads in the newspaper, and introduction services.  No other format offers the level of depth – lots of details and photos and forms to fill out and chances to interact – combined with anonymity. That’s why online personals work so well.  $500 million a year is a pretty big industry.  It’s twice as large as any other category of paid content online.  This is a big industry.  The reason it’s gotten to this point is that the internet really is the ideal medium for searching for singles.  Lots of companies think they can take their user-base and extend to other media, but they’ve had some real difficulties.  It’s not that they are doing it wrong.  It’s just that the users understand they are already in the best medium: online. Even when we get to a point where mobile dating offers a better experience, I don’t think it’s ever going to be massive. Mobile dating is good for some things; for people who are bored in line at the post office and college students who would rather look for profiles on their phones than pay attention to class. It’s not as good an experience as online but it is useful for anyone with spare time away from their computer. At the end of the day, though, online is always going to be the biggest piece of the puzzle.

What observations would you like to share with the CEO’s of the industry?
A lot of the smaller players look for bells and whistles to add to their sites.  They’re looking for angles they can use to differentiate on, and market their sites.  It’s got to be hard to compete with a couple of monsters like Match and Yahoo. Those two, plus eHarmony and Spark Networks, take up so much of the mindshare and the money in this industry that other companies are dwarfed.  But at the end of the day consumers don’t seem to care about the bells and whistles.  They want a critical mass of users in their local area with lots of photos and deep profiles.  Deliver that and you have a good product.  Most users just want online personals sites to do the basics well. All the rest is superfluous. 

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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #11 – Senator Cropsey

Posted on August 17, 2005

Senator_cropseyOPW INTERVIEW — Aug 17, 2005 — Senator Cropsey – Senate sponsor of the Michigan background checks legislation

Why do we need legislation for background checks on online dating sites?
As chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee I'm always concerned about people being victimized by criminals, especially women and children are being violated by rapists and pedophiles.  The United States Department of Justice reports that sexual assaults are the most under-reported crime in our nation.  When vulnerable women and children are violated, the state prosecutes the sexual predator.  The best situation is for women and children not to be victimized in the first place.  At the very least online dating companies need to let their clientele know the risks that they face.  If an online dating company is doing background checks, the company should state the limitations of the background checks.  If the online dating company refuses to do a background check, then the company should clearly warn their clientele of the risks that they face.  If more people become better informed and take proper precautions, then fewer women and children are victimized.

Rape is a terrible crime.  A lady contacted my office who was raped 8 years ago. Just a few months ago she realized while she was sitting on her patio that she hadn't thought about the rape for 15 minutes…and that was a tremendous victory.  Rape is a life sentence for the victim.

What is the likelihood of success for the legislation?
Legislation will eventually pass.  Once the first state passes legislation several other states will follow.  It's just a matter of time.  In this case more victims are coming forward and saying that more protection is needed.  One of the things the online dating companies cannot afford to happen is for them to appear that they are not doing all they can to protect women and children.  My offer to online dating companies is, come sit down and help write legislation that gives additional safety to your clientele.

What are the next steps for the legislation?
This summer we are working on this issue to see if we can reach an agreement with the online dating companies on background check notices that would help to protect and educate their clients.

How can online dating companies help?
Online dating companies need to help find a solution and thereby reduce victimization, to let us know their ideas and work with us.  At the very least they can send me an email with their ideas.  Eventually the online dating companies can get together with me in Lansing to help craft this legislation.  We need law enforcement, victims, and online dating companies to sit down and figure out how to address this issue.  You can expect this to happen within the next couple of months.   

It would be helpful if the online dating companies had a leadership team that can speak for their industry.  It is impractical to have 50 online dating services show up and want to sit down with the victims and law enforcement organizations.  Virtually every other organization realizes the benefit of having a representative group; such as doctors, lawyers, insurance agencies.  Most groups realize they need someone to speak for them for the benefit of their industries.   

At this point, legislation is in the conceptual stage.  The online dating companies can have a maximum impact at this early stage to shape the legislation.  When the online dating companies understand the concerns of the legislature, they can work to meet that concern.  Do not wait for a bad incident to happen and have the legislature stampede a law through that does not take everything into consideration. Online dating companies need someone who has the authority to speak for the industry. 

Are there other areas that you are thinking of applying such legislation?   
Whenever the government sees a significant problem it will try to remedy that problem through law.  This is not the first time that an internet business would be subject to government regulation.  Michigan had spam legislation signed a year ago.  Background checks are being performed in other areas of life, such as in public schools and daycare centers.

What happened with the Michigan legislation this time around?
The only holdup is that it didn't get past the state senate.  I was initially responsible for delaying the legislation.  My position has changed.  I now believe that legislation is needed.   The House of Representatives has already overwhelmingly passed legislation.  If legislation passes the senate, it will pass the house.
A year ago I did not see a need for legislation until a bad incident happened near my district.  A stalker killed himself as he was planting explosives in a woman's house that he met online.  This was an epiphany for me.  It made me realize that there is danger here.  That the legislature needs to address the issue; what are we doing to protect vulnerable women and children from sexual predators that are using the internet? 

What did you think of the mobile internet dating convention?
The meeting we had was very productive.  I learned a lot from the discussion and thoroughly enjoyed the forum.  I want to thank iDate for inviting me. 

Mark Brooks: The Michigan legislation passed the Michigan House by a 74-14 margin in the last legislative session.  The bill made it to the Senate at the end of the session where Cropsey held the bill up (as Chairman of the Criminal Justice Committee) and the session came to a close.  At the start of this session, Cropsey decided to champion the bill.  The bill passed out of his committee, but the full Senate wanted the Sex Offender language (a change so significant, it had to go back to Committee before full Senate consideration).

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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #10 – Webdate’s New SVP, Joe Brennan Jr

Posted on August 3, 2005

Joe_brennanOPW INTERVIEW — Aug 2, 2005 — Joe Brennan Jr joined Webdate's team in April as SVP Marketing and Strategy.  He was formerly the Director of Interactive Strategy at AOL. Mark Brooks, Editor of Online Personals Watch, interviewed Joe after the Mobile Internet Dating Convention at which Joe shared the keynote address.

Why is Webdate driving mobile/cell phone based dating?
Our strategy for Webdate is focused on wireless as a complimentary piece of our entire offerings.  Webdate is not focused on ‘online dating,’ we're focused on ‘dating.’  Our wireless services are every bit as important as the internet services and are totally integrated.  So the philosophy is 'Webdate anytime, anywhere.'  Users may come through the online channel but then decide it's more convenient for them to use us through wireless.  We're connection channel agnostic.  We believe our members should be able to use our services through any connection, so they can Webdate, anytime, anywhere. 

Are location-based services the future?
I think so.  But, one of the challenges is that the technology is available right now but the carriers are concerned about the liability of offering location-based services to their members.  We have to show that such services can produce good revenue streams, address the liability concerns, and demonstrate to the wireless carriers why this technology really is necessary in serving their wireless customers in the future.  The market and technology are moving in the direction of location-based services.  I would not bet against it right now. 

Why are you also leading with video based services? 
We’ve placed our bets on using technology that creates more intimacy for our members.  I mean, with most online dating services you make this hard leap from profile, email and instant messenger over to face-to-face meetings.  We want to create more interactivity and give users a better opportunity to learn and get to know dating partners through the online medium before they meet.  We’re creating interactive experiences that allow potential daters to get to know each other better so that when that first meeting happens, it isn't a shock.  So, the best way to do this is to approximate some of the real world dating experience.  We've started down that path with video dating.  We call it ‘webdating.’  I think that by fully integrating both the online and wireless products we're able to drive a better user experience whilst also reaching underserved markets.  Certain demographics index low on PC ownership and high on cell phone ownership.  By using wireless technology and combining this with our efforts to improve the dating experience, we think our service will be much more valuable than services merely listing personals ads and allowing email introductions. 

Will you eventually combine video based webdating into a mobile/cell phone based service?
Right now the bandwidth is not available on the mobile networks.  The handset technology is not quite available either.  But it will be.  If we look at South Korea with their live streaming video broadcasts we can see the shape of things to come.  That technology will come to America along with the ability to do video dating on the phone.  It’s inevitable and something we are pursuing. 

We need to create more dating opportunities for our users and we have chosen to use technology to create those opportunities…in a real world, live way.  Picture if you will…you’re headed out for the evening and you’re able to broadcast that you are going to be at a certain club, in a certain area and are interested in meeting singles who are also interested in meeting other singles.  We can use the mobile application as a way of facilitating this.  When you walk through the door of the club you will know who you can socialize with and who is available, rather than it being a guessing game.  You can know who's looking for new friends, who’s looking for a relationship.  We want to use mobile applications to facilitate meetings in real time and real space but we need the cooperation of the carriers to facilitate that. 

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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #9 – Friendster’s New CEO, Taek Kwon

Posted on July 18, 2005

Friendster_taek_kwonOPW INTERVIEW — July 18, 2005 — Taek Kwon joined Friendster last month as President and CEO.  He was formerly the EVP Product Management at Citysearch and VP Engineering and Operations at Hotwire.  Mark Brooks, Editor of Online Personals Watch, interviewed Taek to get his take on the future of Friendster.   

Friendster invented online social networking, as we know it.  How did they lose ground to Myspace, and how do you intend to regain it?
Social networking is very different from when it was invented.  I wouldn’t say Friendster invented social networking; Friendster popularized social networking.  When we first launched, we were the only game in town.  Friendster was, and is, a great way for people to connect with new friends and reengage with old friends. Friendster didn’t have a strong secondary call to action for its users beyond finding and connecting with people. Many people used it as a dating tool.  Now, many of the initial uses of Friendster have become commoditized.  Myspace, Hi5 and the Facebook are all growing.  The idea of ‘connecting’ is no longer a differentiator.  It never really was.  We have the ‘platform’ for adding value to users.  But we haven't determined the applications that will sit on top of this platform to make it valuable, sticky, and we no longer have the cachet we did earlier.  Myspace is focused heavily on music.  They have a different approach to networking; I think of a lot of their interactions more as incidental social collisions than what we have on our platform.  They provided users the ability to express themselves with a high degree of customizability and their ability to upload and integrate media is unparalleled.  It’s a freeform experience and a vehicle for self-expression.  It’s proven successful.  Friendster needs to also add context to the site’s friendships.  We don't really have a theme or context to drive activity.  That’s the challenge, which we hope to meet soon. 

What are incidental social collisions?
People are usually invited into Friendster.  They join through invitations.  A lot of people join to meet new people and socialize.  The types of activity and the conversations people have on Friendster are usually based on people you knew before they joined; our networks are generally a little more closed, whereas Myspace is more open.  On Friendster, a higher percentage knows their ‘friends’ offline than on Myspace.  There’s value in both approaches.  Myspace has proven their approach is wildly popular and they have figure out a way to monetize this.  Friendster is focused more on maintaining the networks’ integrity and I feel we will also figure out a compelling approach to monetization.

What is Friendster's target clientele? 
Our demographic skews young.  I’d say the average age of our most frequent users is between 21 to 29 predominantly.  But we have younger and a lot older too. Looking out further ahead our clientele is really anyone who has friends. 

You commented in a prior interview your intention to combine business networking and social networking on Friendster.  Could you expand on that comment?
I believe people, especially young people, are looking for four things.  One, finding a date/mate.  Two, finding a job.  Three, finding a home to live in or a house to buy.  And four, social interaction.  i.e. they want to know what people are doing.  Those four things are what life revolves around for those in their 20's to 30's. I could imagine a world where Friendster acts as a catalyst but doesn't focus on any one. 

Are you interested in events?
We have a very qualified network.  The majority of relationships on Friendster are real live offline friendships.  We are exploring opportunities to facilitate offline interactions.

How will Friendster be making money in one year from now?
We currently make money, a fair amount, from traditional sponsored CPM advertising.  We have a relationship with Google for contextual, text link advertising.  There are other sources that we will experiment with.  Two that may have a role are premium services and lead generation.  We have a relationship with sixapart for blogs where we share revenue on upgrades.  Users can sign up for a blog and pay for more storage and more UI flexibility.  We might introduce more premium services like that.  As you think about possibilities, you’ll not that a fair amount of commerce occurs from social interaction in our daily lives.  Friendster could become a clearinghouse for some of this commerce online through its platform.  One example might be birthday’s alerts.  We could implement a birthday alert and offer users a coupon on hot birthday presents.  I tend to think those types of leads will be more qualified than even sponsored link clicks. 

What lessons learned from your time at Citysearch do you intend to apply at Friendster?
Citysearch was a struggling business.  It was not making money when I joined and had a lot of problems.  Some of their brand equity had been damaged.  They were in a fairly new category.  Others had an interest in local search.  Yahoo and Google were entering the market.  Friendster is in some ways a similar situation. Yahoo 360, MSN, Google and Orkut and even international companies such as Nate.com in Korea have identified social networking as an interesting category they want a piece of and have invested.  The explosion in interest parallels what was happening in local search.  For me, one key lesson learned is how to think strategically in that sort of environment of rapid change, a heated competitive landscape, and investment and M&A activity.  When I left Citysearch they were profitable and growing profits at the fastest rate in our 9-year history.  Unlike local search when it first started, the social networking category already has two of its leading properties in the black and it’s such a new category.  Thefacebook has said it was cash flow positive since Q1.  Also Myspace has said they are profitable.  It’s a very new category.  So, to have two of the top properties in the black is very exciting. 

Who do you regard as the most noteworthy online dating competitors right now?  Are online dating companies really direct competitors?
I don't consider Friendster a dating site although online dating is one  utility provided for many users.  Friendster is a platform that hasn’t committed to any vertical yet, and perhaps never will. The fact is, users use it for dating bu
t there’s a lot more we can and will do in the future.  We don't consider any of the online dating companies direct competitors.  I find eharmony fascinating.  They have a model for building an emotional tie with users during their interview/signup process, taking them through a highly committed screening process and then pushing qualified content to them.  That strategy is something that is not only applicable to dating.  In many ways users are open to pushed content as long as it’s from trusted sources.  Friends are trusted sources.  I could see similar functionality on Friendster.  The idea of pushing content to the user in a qualified way is very interesting. 

What are your thoughts on a mobile Friendster service?
We recently met with some of the folks from Nate.com and Cyworld.com.  Cyworld is a social networking site for Nate, a Korean portal.  SK Telecom owns them.  Mobile internet is fascinating to me.  They offer a tight integration between their IM client, social network, blogging, and profile page submission.  They’ve enabled content access, submission, and editing on any device.  The billing process revolves around the monthly phone bill.  It’s an interesting phenomenon, which we’re not going to be able to duplicate here because the telecom industry is more fragmented here, but the idea of monetizing social networks through micropayments on a phone bill is interesting.  The Koreans have more adoption of mobile internet usage.  There are some interesting lessons to be learned. 

What might Friendster look like in 3 years from now?
We will have more tools built on top of the Friendster platform.  Blogging has had great adoption.  I can imagine a heavy media component to Friendster.  I can also imagine there might be tools and applications that help in organizing friendships offline.  In any event we definitely will move in the direction of adding value beyond being the personal face-book we are today. 

Mark Brooks: Taek is just the medicine for Friendster.  MySpace has stolen some of Friendster's thunder but I think Friendster will find it's way under Taek Kwon (and Jonathan Abrams).   

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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #8 – True.com’s Chief Psychologist

Posted on July 13, 2005

James_houranOPW INTERVIEW — July 13, 2005 — Eric Straus of Cupid.com thinks matching based on personality profiling is B.S.  Online dating upstart, True.com, would beg to differ.  Mark Brooks interviewed True.com's Chief Psychologist, Dr James Houran, to get a second opinion on personality profiling for online dating.   

Tell me about your background Jim?
I’m first and foremost a researcher, but I worked as a mental health counselor with both adults and children in a hospital setting for 6 years. That experience motivated me  to complete my masters in clinical psychology. My focus was how attitudes influenced behaviors, as well as the interplay among imagination, cognition, and personality. After my M,A., I was hired as faculty at the SIU School of Medicine’s Department of Psychiatry  There, my principal clinical and research interests involved advanced psychological testing, gender differences, mental health and wellness, as well as relationship quality.  I worked with couples as well as families in both platonic and romantic contexts.  I completed my Ph.D. became known for my work on the validity of psychological testing.  Unfortunately, many test methodologies used today are outdated.  As a result, much of what we think we know in the social sciences is probably skewed or downright wrong. 

Why did you join True?
True.com gave me opportunity to do what I was already doing – a combination of research, clinical work, and public education – but on a scale that psychologists can only dream of.  Usually in the academic community we worry about funding and finding large samples of research participants.  Now I can conduct state-of-the-art online testing where funding is not a problem and which can make a difference in people’s lives on a topic that touches us all.  So, I could not imagine a better job. Also, I’m able to help lead and pioneer the next era of online testing technology.  Very exciting!

How can you be sure True.com’s tests are true and correct?
Luckily we don’t have to rely on opinion.  There are professional standards for testing, which are outlined in a manual authored by the American Educational Research Association, the American Psychological Association, along with the National Council on Measurement and Education.  One key element in test creation is in providing the test rationale. It’s also important to create and validate tests in the context they are to be used, that is, online tests can’t be created and tested offline as a pencil and paper measure and then transferred online.  True.com uses Item Response Theory based measures.  This is the same approach used by the GRE, MCAT and LSAT.  We’ve known since 1960 that it’s superior to Classical Test Theory methods.  All good tests have a test manual to show their basis, construction and validation… and preferably the research should be published in a peer-reviewed journal or at least independently audited by an expert in modern psychometrics.  To my knowledge True.com is the only company that has done this.  And, that angers me, because I hear people on TV saying, “Trust me, I have a test based in science, trust me.”  Ask to see that science and you don’t get a response back. 

Eric Straus, the CEO of Cupid, says personality profiling for online dating context is B.S.  What do you think?
I would agree to some extent. The public should be skeptical!  Public exposure to professional testing is limited.  The public is more familiar with fun little quizzes in Cosmo or on entertainment websites.  These tests are fun diversions but they are not the real thing.  But, can we identify the variables that are associated with long-term compatibility?  Yes, we can.  Can we measure these variables in a reliable and valid way?  Yes, we can.  Can we use and apply these variables?  Yes, we can.  Published research has already shown this.  However, what we’ve learned from advanced statistics is that things we thought we knew often turn out to be skewed or wrong.  For example, eHarmony’s test says ‘birds of a feather flock together.’  The more similar a couple is the happier they will be in the relationship. That’s incorrect. “Similarity” is a relationship principle that academics have long known from research to be oversimplified.

I can’t make sense of eHarmony. They claim their test is based on an impressive study of 5,000 married couples.  I can’t find that study anywhere.  Last February, eHarmony published a general description of their services in a psychology magazine. Several ‘Letters to the Editor’ came in from professionals criticizing the company for unsubstantiated claims of scientific testing. eHarmony has yet to show the public anything of substance.  The only attempt I’ve ever seen is a paper presented a year ago at a psychology conference. This paper reported research on two sets of married couples. One sample of marrieds met on eHarmony, while the other sample met in the real world.  The conclusion was the eHarmony couples had higher levels of relationship satisfaction.  As we reviewed their research it was apparent that the study and its conclusions were wrong.  A rebuttal was published in the North American Journal of Psychology. This rebuttal showed that eHarmony’s own data contradicted the idea that similarity is the best predictor of relationship satisfaction.  The media is also now starting to question the legitimacy of eHarmony’s testing. Test manuals or any proof of testing research are also absent from Perfectmatch, Tickle, and Yahoo Personals.  Personality profiling tests can indeed be harmful if they are not based in legitimate research.  Many people take these test results to heart and they influence life-changing decisions.  If a company says they use tests based in science they have a legal and moral responsibility to consumers need to back that claim up. 

How can a company give out enough information on these tests to win confidence, without giving away their secrets?
Independent auditors who are established experts in modern test construction and validation can review the tests and certify that they meet professional testing standards. Data can be reported to the public without divulging the specifics of matching algorithms. Take drug companies, for example, you don’t see the specific recipe for the chemical makeup of drugs or detailed explanations of how those drugs work exactly. Yet, drug companies routinely sponsor and publish research on their efficacy of their products.

So what can you tell me about True.com’s matching algorithm?
True matches people based on research concerning similar as well as complementary  relationship variables. We take into account factors well beyond mere personality. Some of those variables include lifestyle preferences, world-views, sense of humor, social life, money management, and readiness to commit. Companies are free to use their preferred methods to pair individuals. Perfect Match uses a test derived from the popular Myers Briggs Type Indicator.   We use what’s known as the ‘big five model.’

eHarmony and Perfectmatch make all their users take their profiling tests.  Why doesn’t True.com?
Not all users want to take a compatibility test for many reasons. Users may be skeptical or just not want to spend the time.  If people are antagonistic about being forced to take a test they won’t give accurate responses.  Compatibility testing implies long-term relationships, and True.com realizes that not everyone is looking for that exclusively. Our research indicates that the bulk of the online daters do not want exclusively short-term or long-term relationships. We’re offer tools to help them find the relationship that is right for them. Our vision is to reduce the divorce rate by pairing people up for good relationships and marriages, as well as by preventing bad marriages in the first place by not prematurely pushing people down a path they’re not comfortable with. 

How is True.com planning to help move the industry forward over the next 6 months?
You’ll see more of a push towards educating people on the power and value of good science-based products.  True.com is committed to the safety and security of all our members and to give them the right tools so they can find the right person.  We’re also working towards answering the second half of the problem.  Once we pair people up… then what?  We’re developing even more tools like supplemental tests and relationship guides to help people maintain and nurture relationships. Basically you’ll see more of a hand-holding approach.  We’re uniquely positioned to help people with other aspects of their life.  We haven’t painted ourselves into a corner to be simply an online dating site. Our tagline is “Live, Love, Learn”’ for a reason.  Love is one element of a person’s life.  We’ll also branch out to help people with self-growth and platonic relationships.  So, you’re going to see us increase in scope.

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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #8 – True.com’s Chief Psychologist

Posted on July 13, 2005

James_houranOPW INTERVIEW — July 13, 2005 — Eric Straus of Cupid.com thinks matching based on personality profiling is B.S.  Online dating upstart, True.com, would beg to differ.  Mark Brooks interviewed True.com's Chief Psychologist, Dr James Houran, to get a second opinion on personality profiling for online dating.   

Tell me about your background Jim?
I’m first and foremost a researcher, but I worked as a mental health counselor with both adults and children in a hospital setting for 6 years. That experience motivated me  to complete my masters in clinical psychology. My focus was how attitudes influenced behaviors, as well as the interplay among imagination, cognition, and personality. After my M,A., I was hired as faculty at the SIU School of Medicine’s Department of Psychiatry  There, my principal clinical and research interests involved advanced psychological testing, gender differences, mental health and wellness, as well as relationship quality.  I worked with couples as well as families in both platonic and romantic contexts.  I completed my Ph.D. became known for my work on the validity of psychological testing.  Unfortunately, many test methodologies used today are outdated.  As a result, much of what we think we know in the social sciences is probably skewed or downright wrong. 

Why did you join True?
True.com gave me opportunity to do what I was already doing – a combination of research, clinical work, and public education – but on a scale that psychologists can only dream of.  Usually in the academic community we worry about funding and finding large samples of research participants.  Now I can conduct state-of-the-art online testing where funding is not a problem and which can make a difference in people’s lives on a topic that touches us all.  So, I could not imagine a better job. Also, I’m able to help lead and pioneer the next era of online testing technology.  Very exciting!

How can you be sure True.com’s tests are true and correct?
Luckily we don’t have to rely on opinion.  There are professional standards for testing, which are outlined in a manual authored by the American Educational Research Association, the American Psychological Association, along with the National Council on Measurement and Education.  One key element in test creation is in providing the test rationale. It’s also important to create and validate tests in the context they are to be used, that is, online tests can’t be created and tested offline as a pencil and paper measure and then transferred online.  True.com uses Item Response Theory based measures.  This is the same approach used by the GRE, MCAT and LSAT.  We’ve known since 1960 that it’s superior to Classical Test Theory methods.  All good tests have a test manual to show their basis, construction and validation… and preferably the research should be published in a peer-reviewed journal or at least independently audited by an expert in modern psychometrics.  To my knowledge True.com is the only company that has done this.  And, that angers me, because I hear people on TV saying, “Trust me, I have a test based in science, trust me.”  Ask to see that science and you don’t get a response back. 

Eric Straus, the CEO of Cupid, says personality profiling for online dating context is B.S.  What do you think?
I would agree to some extent. The public should be skeptical!  Public exposure to professional testing is limited.  The public is more familiar with fun little quizzes in Cosmo or on entertainment websites.  These tests are fun diversions but they are not the real thing.  But, can we identify the variables that are associated with long-term compatibility?  Yes, we can.  Can we measure these variables in a reliable and valid way?  Yes, we can.  Can we use and apply these variables?  Yes, we can.  Published research has already shown this.  However, what we’ve learned from advanced statistics is that things we thought we knew often turn out to be skewed or wrong.  For example, eHarmony’s test says ‘birds of a feather flock together.’  The more similar a couple is the happier they will be in the relationship. That’s incorrect. “Similarity” is a relationship principle that academics have long known from research to be oversimplified.

I can’t make sense of eHarmony. They claim their test is based on an impressive study of 5,000 married couples.  I can’t find that study anywhere.  Last February, eHarmony published a general description of their services in a psychology magazine. Several ‘Letters to the Editor’ came in from professionals criticizing the company for unsubstantiated claims of scientific testing. eHarmony has yet to show the public anything of substance.  The only attempt I’ve ever seen is a paper presented a year ago at a psychology conference. This paper reported research on two sets of married couples. One sample of marrieds met on eHarmony, while the other sample met in the real world.  The conclusion was the eHarmony couples had higher levels of relationship satisfaction.  As we reviewed their research it was apparent that the study and its conclusions were wrong.  A rebuttal was published in the North American Journal of Psychology. This rebuttal showed that eHarmony’s own data contradicted the idea that similarity is the best predictor of relationship satisfaction.  The media is also now starting to question the legitimacy of eHarmony’s testing. Test manuals or any proof of testing research are also absent from Perfectmatch, Tickle, and Yahoo Personals.  Personality profiling tests can indeed be harmful if they are not based in legitimate research.  Many people take these test results to heart and they influence life-changing decisions.  If a company says they use tests based in science they have a legal and moral responsibility to consumers need to back that claim up. 

How can a company give out enough information on these tests to win confidence, without giving away their secrets?
Independent auditors who are established experts in modern test construction and validation can review the tests and certify that they meet professional testing standards. Data can be reported to the public without divulging the specifics of matching algorithms. Take drug companies, for example, you don’t see the specific recipe for the chemical makeup of drugs or detailed explanations of how those drugs work exactly. Yet, drug companies routinely sponsor and publish research on their efficacy of their products.

So what can you tell me about True.com’s matching algorithm?
True matches people based on research concerning similar as well as complementary  relationship variables. We take into account factors well beyond mere personality. Some of those variables include lifestyle preferences, world-views, sense of humor, social life, money management, and readiness to commit. Companies are free to use their preferred methods to pair individuals. Perfect Match uses a test derived from the popular Myers Briggs Type Indicator.   We use what’s known as the ‘big five model.’

eHarmony and Perfectmatch make all their users take their profiling tests.  Why doesn’t True.com?
Not all users want to take a compatibility test for many reasons. Users may be skeptical or just not want to spend the time.  If people are antagonistic about being forced to take a test they won’t give accurate responses.  Compatibility testing implies long-term relationships, and True.com realizes that not everyone is looking for that exclusively. Our research indicates that the bulk of the online daters do not want exclusively short-term or long-term relationships. We’re offer tools to help them find the relationship that is right for them. Our vision is to reduce the divorce rate by pairing people up for good relationships and marriages, as well as by preventing bad marriages in the first place by not prematurely pushing people down a path they’re not comfortable with. 

How is True.com planning to help move the industry forward over the next 6 months?
You’ll see more of a push towards educating people on the power and value of good science-based products.  True.com is committed to the safety and security of all our members and to give them the right tools so they can find the right person.  We’re also working towards answering the second half of the problem.  Once we pair people up… then what?  We’re developing even more tools like supplemental tests and relationship guides to help people maintain and nurture relationships. Basically you’ll see more of a hand-holding approach.  We’re uniquely positioned to help people with other aspects of their life.  We haven’t painted ourselves into a corner to be simply an online dating site. Our tagline is “Live, Love, Learn”’ for a reason.  Love is one element of a person’s life.  We’ll also branch out to help people with self-growth and platonic relationships.  So, you’re going to see us increase in scope.

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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #7 – Cupid.com’s CEO

Posted on July 1, 2005

Cupid_ceo OPW CEO INTERVIEW — July 1, 2005 — Cupid.com probably has the best dating domain in the industry.  Who else can claim 2,000 years of branding history?  Cupid offers a fast track sign up process, does a great job of displaying real pictures of real users on their home page, and has successfully integrated Predating (the world's largest speed dating company) into Cupid.com.  Mark Brooks, Editor of Online Personals Watch, interviews Eric Straus, Cupid.com’s CEO and co-founder. 

What lessons from your radio station owner days have you applied to your time as Cupid's CEO?
Our advertising is done almost exclusively through our partner radio stations so I have used a lot of the radio knowledge I have when I’ve pitched them on Cupid.com.  Beyond that, running a business is running a business and personnel issues are personnel issues, regardless of whether you’re running a radio group or an internet company.

What would you have done differently had you known better?
I would have gotten the Cupid.com domain a lot earlier so I didn’t have to pay through the nose for it.  We would have started our localization campaign and we would have gone into the events business earlier as well.  I think our radio and our local focus are very related.  Localism is our niche so having local events in our markets is our competitive and branding advantage over other dating sites.   

How do events help?
If you go to Cupid.com and type in your zip code, in addition to finding local singles you also find all these local events that are near you.  And we're rolling out more coordinators in more cities.  They will become our singles experts in those markets.  Our ability to do local events and have local experts is our advantage.  The singles experts will provide additional local content; local advice, places to go on dates etc.   This speaks to our localism.

Are you still glad you acquired Predating?
Yes.  We feel our whole selling proposition is localism.  Match.com has mass.  eharmony has scientific matching.  We have localism.  The acquisition of Predating really helped in those efforts.   We have 70 people on the ground and well soon have 100 on the ground, and that’s not something any other dating site has.  There will be other opportunities down the road for other events such as lock and key parties.  Well offer larger singles events, which we think would be especially attractive to our radio station partners. 

Cupid is built on radio affiliate marketing, how did you get away with that?   
While I was still owner and manager of my radio stations in upstate New York many of my radio advertising clients said they were having trouble recruiting people. I thought a local job site promoted by my radio stations could help them fill their openings.  I approached Steve Bywater (now CTO) and Bob Chieffo (now COO) and we built RegionalHelpWanted.com.  We had 1,800 radio stations on the Regional Help Wanted side, and many asked for a second product. We thought radio was the perfect marketing medium for a dating site.   I mean, what medium reaches single adults more consistently than radio? The internet space is crowded enough as you can see when buying keywords and online advertising.  It made sense as a business model for our radio partners.  This is where my experience as a radio station owner comes into play.  I’m able to talk the talk with these guys.

Cupid is typically around the 12th largest online dating site according to Hitwise.  What are your goals for growth?
We would love to be in the top five.  We’re looking at possible acquisitions right now and doing some online marketing.   Well do more work with radio stations and further improve our conversion rates, even though they’re very good right now.   

What do you think of True background checks legislation?
I think this legislation is totally bogus.  A brilliant play to get PR.  It probably won’t pass.  It shouldn’t, but if it does, more power to them.  As a businessman I have a lot of respect for what they are trying to do.  I respect them for giving it the old college try.  A lot of guys (other dating companies) think how could they do such a thing?  They have to worry about their own business.  If this legislation passes it puts them in a great situation.   I don’t think it will, but more power to the guys at True.com for thinking this up.

What do you think of eharmony?
The concept is total b.s. and the marketing plan is brilliant, and I wish I’d thought of it first.  Scientific matching is total unadulterated b.s., but I think it is brilliant mktg.  Dr Warren is a marketing genius.  I don’t think he does any better job at matching than Cupid.com or any other dating site.  He just came up with a great marketing ploy.  He designed a great way to solve the problem of women being inundated and guys being ignored that you (Mark Brooks) highlighted for us.  Also, because of the perceived value of this scientific matching hocus pocus, they’re able to charge double.  I can tell you from the emails we get from customers, there’s a lot of dissatisfaction.  They complain its a pain in the ass to do.  Users have told us they like to quickly be able to get, do searches and open communication.  I don’t think you can scientifically decide the best matches.  There are 10,000 women out there that are right for you and its up to timing and circumstance to get together with them.  I can't emphasize enough I think its a genius marketing ploy.   If you asked me if I'd consider dating a Republican female, I'd say no.  I’m a liberal, Jewish and a democrat.  However under the right circumstances I might.  Just take James Carville, Clinton's campaign manager and Mary Matilin who was campaign manager for Bush.  They were arch rivals but  they fell in love and got married.   

We work with a professor at MIT who explained to us something very interesting.  If you look at relationships as a continuum, with the far left end representing never having met someone before, or talked, and the right end representing getting married, how far along the line do you thing online dating gets you?   eharmony proposes they get you  much further along.  I would argue neither eharmony or Cupid get you far along.  Meeting face to face is what gets you further along.  eharmony suggests  you can do more.  Face to face is where it counts; how they smell, how they laugh.  There are a lot of little things you cannot do online.  Online dating allows users to learn a few things about each other.  The eharmony concept is, in my view bullshit.    

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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #6 – Webdate.com’s CEO

Posted on June 21, 2005

Webdate_abe_smilowitz_1OPW CEO INTERVIEW — June 21, 2005 — Online dating pioneer Webdate offers 'webdating' video chat, web chat and mobile phone based dating…all for free.  It's grown to 4 million members whilst maintaining a completely free membership model, much to the chagrin of it's competitors, Match.com, Yahoo Personals and American Singles.  Mark Brooks, Editor of Online Personals Watch, interviews Abe Smilowitz, Webdate.com’s CEO and Founder. 

Is webdate beyond 4 million users now?
Yes.  We've had a consistent growth rate.  Anywhere from 250 to 300 thousand new users a month.  60% is type in traffic from viral, from non-advertising referrals. 

Why did you start webdate? 
We started webdate to be the #1 online personals company in the world.  We identified online dating as a hot industry and decided we wanted to participate and create the best online personals service on the net.  We decided we would add the largest amount of users in the shortest amount of time by moving to a free model, and the rest is history…Now we're #5.  We're the 5th largest online personals company (per Hitwise).  Last year we were the fastest growing online personals company.  We grew 800% where the industry average was 42%.  The guys ahead of us are monsters and we've spent a fraction of what they've spent!  What they spend in a month, we spend in a year.  Some are spending in excess of $5 million a month.  That's unbelievable!  Probably some of the guys below us are spending several multiples of what we're spending…and we're still ahead of them.  It's credit to word of mouth marketing and our user experience.  We think users want a fast, simple, no frills, quick and easy communication oriented site.  They don't want to have to jump through hoops.  We're not overly complicated like other sites. 

Was there a 'magic moment' for you when you were first developing webdate?
The magic moment for us occurred when we came up with the video dating idea.  You can go to any online dating site and see fake pictures.  Then you show up to a date and find your match is older than they looked…it's crazy!  How do you get around the problem of fake pictures?  It just seemed so 'not personal' to us.  Online personals didn't give users much feel for a person's personality.  Users can write down any horse crap, put up a fake picture and the person on the other side has no idea.  Video dating, done properly just crushes that.  It really gives users a feel for a person, not the profile, but the real person. They can interact!  Enabling someone halfway round world to get a feel for someone's personality over the web, with pictures, and movement and voice.  You can see if a woman is sexy, get a feel for her attitude, see if she's funny.  You can pick all that up on video dating.  When you're just reading a profile, staring at multiple-choice questions, just looking at words, those things don't speak to the soul as much.  The way a person moves can say a lot about them.  You can't pick up on body language from a profile.

How on earth can you justify making webdate free for so long?
Our justification is industry ranking.  We've been able to build webdate to our #5 ranking in a very competitive industry.  We have a high number of active users and significant market share now.  Here's a scoop for you; we're looking to move to a premium services model in the very near future.  But, we'll continue to be less expensive than any of our competitors because we feel everyone should be able to enjoy online dating.  Part of our approach has been to extend online dating to all of society with webdate mobile.  Minority groups are generally more mobile oriented.  That's a totally different approach.  Our mobile service is $3.99 a month.  So, beat that!  And our mobile users can interact with the entire 4 million person webdate user base.  It's an inexpensive alternative to being on the website and it has most of the features of an online service.  You can see pictures, browse profiles, we stand alone in the industry as far as mobile goes right now. 

How does this compare with Match's mobile offering?
We've integrated the entire mobile aspect into the webdate.  Match breaks it up into two sites.  Ours is the only fully integrated service.  Which is the future of mobile applications, fully integrated.

What will webdate look like 5 years from now?
It will be fully mobile.  Everything you can do online, you'll be able to do on a cell phone, and that's what we're trying to do now. 

What's the end goal?  Do you want to be bigger then Match.com?
The end goal is to offer the best online personals service on the planet.  If we're the biggest, great.  Our philosophy is, if we build the very best product the users will come.  But, it has to be the best integrated, have the best features, be the easiest to use, and be fully integrated with mobile and video.  We're building the best mousetrap but not necessarily to beat Match.com in users.  We think that we will beat them in users eventually, because our product is going to be better.  The users will acknowledge that.  Users will often join several sites when they start online dating, and then end up sticking with the one they like the best.  We want to be that one.  In order to do that we need to give them great combinations of features, ease of use and value…which means not charging them an arm and a leg for the service.

Does the public really care about mobile and video chat yet?
The video dating, absolutely!  Over 50% of users have tried video dating.  The video is here and it's here to stay.  It's not pie in the sky or something for down the road.  It's here now and it's only going to get bigger.  As far as safety is concerned…We were thinking about safety two and a half years ago!  Video dating allows people to go on first dates in the safety and security and comfort of their own homes…without putting them in uncomfortable or dangerous situations.  They can get a sense of chemistry from the other users, hear their voice and look into their eyes before taking it to the real world.  Mobile dating is still something that is not mature.  There's no doubt it's where the future lies.  There will always be online dating though.  You can't completely duplicate online dating with a cell phone.  There's not enough room, but there's no doubt mobile will play a huge role in the future.  Our goal is to be the innovator and shape the way online dating progresses, with a mobile perspective.  The companies offering it now will shape the industry down the road.

What does the future hold for webdate?  Where will webdate be in two years time?
We'll be the best personals site to get in touch with the 'right person.'  We're working to give our users as many options to communicate as possible in as time efficient a manner as possible.  Users can see who's online, who's on video chat, who's new on the site, who's viewed their profile, who's emailed and IM'd them, who's network of friends others belong to.  You shouldn't have to click five times to find what you want.  You only have to click once on webdate.  Everything users could possibly want is right there, laid out one click away from the home page.  We're building the best online personals site and in two years we'll be at the top of the online dating rankings. 

Mark Brooks: People, essentially, are the 'product' that online dating sites sell.  Webdate has invested heavily to build a considerable member base, get people talking (hey it's free!), and offer some great next generation services.  One to watch.

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Online Personals Watch Exclusive Interview #5 – True.com’s CEO

Posted on June 17, 2005

Herb_vestOPW CEO INTERVIEW — June 17, 2005 — Online dating upstart, True.com, states on it’s home page that married people will be prosecuted, has driven online dating background checks legislation, and challenged the integrity of it’s competitor’s personality profiling systems.  What will it do next?  Mark Brooks, Editor of Online Personals Watch, interviews Herb Vest, True.com’s CEO and Founder. 

Why the True employee layoffs August last year?
We got a little too big for our britches and were going in too many directions at once.  We decided to cut back and focus our direction. 

You're a newcomer, an outsider, you could have just been a VC without getting personally involved.  What made you be want to be personally involved?
I'm an entrepreneur at heart and like to be involved in running the business.  A VC is more akin to banking than entrepreneurship so VC's are not necessarily real good entrepreneurs, and vice versa.  I'm more socially oriented.  I want to make a difference.  What does society need?  One thing is money, the other is love.  I handled the money with HDVest, and so I then decided to try my hand at love.  I know we can lower the divorce rates.  They're way too high.  I believe True can do something about that. 

In your book you mention revolutionary entrepreneurs.  What is a revolutionary entrepreneur?
We tend to be social outcasts, not necessarily well liked in the corporate world.  We are very good leaders but not very good followers at all.  A revolutionary entrepreneur seeks to change society for the better by using their business powers. 

And what are the top 'principles of war' you've applied to True.com?
The main principle of war, business, and life in general is the principle of the offensive.  I think in general in life and business and in war you have to constantly be on the attack.  That is the thing that I have learned in life.  If you go on defensive you're going to lose.  You always have to be out their stretching and pushing the envelope and digging at the competition.  I like the competition to worry about me rather than me them.  In my book, Instructions To My Officers: A Revolutionary Approach to Entrepreneurial Strategy, I talk about the race car driver, which is one of the better parables.  It covers the principle of focus; focusing on the curves but being aware of other curves ahead.  You have to set yourself up for the future curves otherwise you’ll slow down and give the competition time to regroup.  This is the approach True is taking right now.   

How is True different than PerfectMatch and eHarmony?  How is the site better?
eHarmony is going after a particular group which represents around 20% of the market; those looking for a long term relationship.  The people at True believe that love is a continuum.  When you come off a relationship you may say, ”wow, I never want to do that again,” but it may not be too long before you wind up looking for another relationship.  So, if you have people who are looking specifically for long term relationships without regard to where they are in life, they tend to fail.  They are going into life with the idea that, “I'm going to find my partner.” I think, going in to a relationship to have a good time and ‘perhaps’ find a partner, makes more sense. 

What would you say to Dr Warren and Dr Pepper?
eHarmony and PerfectMatch are actually trying to tout tests that purport to measure compatibility between couples when in fact there's no scientific evidence that they do.  I think they are highly misleading.  I would like the industry to look at compatibility testing on a more professional level.  I’d like to see these tests certified against principles set up by professional psychologists.  I think the public is going to wake up and feel duped unless we conform to professional standards.  It’s going to completely destroy the industry.  It’s a very serious situation.  We need to establish generally accepted principles.  We need to look at the methodology, conclusions, findings and algorithms used in these tests.  Once independently verified, professionals should publish their testing manual on their site, as we've done.  You can find that on True.com.  We've also had Dr James Houran publish results in professional journals and invited criticism from other professionals.  This is the way science has always been done; the generally accepted principle.  I am appalled we're not applying that as an industry.  We'd like to do something about that eventually.  We’d like to poll all dating sites to adopt a professional method of testing that has been accepted by the scientific community, or, if they don't do that, then they need to label their tests as ‘fun’ tests.  They can't imply reliability.  It’s very dangerous for the public and we think something needs to be done about that. 

How will True influence society over the next 5 years?
We plan to lower divorce rates in this country, and others, with scientifically backed matching.  We also need to improve the courtship process.  We will work on testing methods, dating tests and things like that.  There’s a big difference between dating and long term relationships.  For long term relationships it’s important couples agree about raising kids, finances, household chores etc.  For short term dating, the relationship factors are not so important as sense of humor, mindset and interests.  We want to facilitate both sides of the equation, for the long term and short term mindsets. You will see more and more testing on True; matching base upon users goals, whatever they are within the dating continuum. 

What’s next on the agenda?
We have ambitions far beyond just online dating.  As a relationship company, in the next couple of months we will introduce pre-marriage counseling, pre-commitment counseling and self help guides combined with a referral service to specialist counselors.

Can you give me an example of why this is needed?
My wife and I occasionally argue, as do all married couples.  We stumbled on a technique where we become each other’s attorney.  We’ll put each other on the stand and pretend to be each other, taking the others view.  True will introduce conflict resolution techniques over time.  Every year suicides occur because of failed relationships.  People need to think through issues before they become hot issues.  Many problems can be averted.  I have had a lot of experience with conflict resolution over the years.  There’s usually something that can be done.

Any plans to move True into Europe?
Definitely, but much more long term.  We’re focusing on the US market.  We have every reason to believe that couples problems in the US are the same as international problems, but, we want to research this more.  We will be moving internationally.  One step at a time. 

What does the future hold for True? 
In a short time, just one and a half years, we’ve already taken a substantial leading position in the industry.  We will hold and gain.  You’re gonna see a whole lot more of us, raising a lot of ruckus.  We made progress with safer online dating.  The industry needs to get more serious about full disclosure and doing a great job for the consumer. 

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OPW Exclusive Interview #4 – PerfectMatch’s CEO

Posted on May 31, 2005

Perfect_match_1OPW CEO Interview — June 1, 2005 — Duane Dahl is CEO of Perfect Match and the former CEO of Kiss.com and Udate, which were acquired by Match.com/IAC.  Perfect Match is eHarmony's most direct competitor.  It's the only other top tier dating site that requires all it's users take a personality test.  – Mark Brooks

How is Perfect Match different from eHarmony?
Dr. Neil Warren has done some excellent things within the Christian ministry and his Christian oriented publications.  However, he doesn't hold a candle to our Dr. Pepper Schwartz.  We've made Dr. Schwartz available and accessible to our PerfectMatch.com members, which we believe is key.  Neil, on the other hand, is a spokesperson who appears on TV and that's all he is.  Our vision has been to leverage experience and expertise for the good of our members through several Dr. Schwartz vehicles:  Her Q&A, chat, monthly column, etc.  Also, we do not condone exclusionary practices.  I think people want to know how people are being matched.  People are starting to question the matching.  If you're going to discriminate, you need to be up front and disclose why you're discriminating.

How does your matching philosophy differ from eHarmony?
Transparency is the key.  eHarmony has a black box approach.  We’ve worked very hard to create a matching algorithm that members can actually use, benefit from and work to their advantage.  Take a look at the True.com test.  They contracted doctors to come up with a test.  It's a good test on a poor site.  We want to put our members in a position to impact results. We encourage our members to review results of their tests and identify with those they had relationships with in the past, so they can get an idea of who would be a good match for them in the future.  Also, wouldn't it be nice, while users are waiting for their matches, for them to be able to search the database freely?  On PerfectMatch.com that’s a highly prized option.  On eHarmony, you just wait for someone else to decide your future.

What are your thoughts on the progression of matching technology?
It's still very, very early days in the business.  I think the business has grown so quickly,  the technology hasn't been able to keep up.  As the space evolves, it's going to become more specialized…more member centric.  We make sure every single one of our members has the ability to have their profile reviewed on the site.  There are millions of members who don't quite get it and they need assistance.  So, we have a comprehensive 10 point review, from photo selection to the content in their profiles.  This review is available with our standard membership.  It's very important to make sure the membership is educated and someone takes the time to teach them what works and doesn't work.  We've developed our own leading-edge technology to have our member services team review all profiles.  We're constantly reinforcing to our membership 'they're not alone here.'  A few years back we saw a Jupiter report and most online personals members were on three or four sites.  The reason?  They don't really know how to use online dating.  They're just going to three  or four 'bars' at different times of the week.  We're making sure our members can leverage the vast experience we have, and greatly increase their odds of success.

Do you really think you can trounce eHarmony?
I have no doubt.  For us, my team got back into the space so we can compete and win.  We are actively seeking out partners.  Every time we compete with eHarmony on a proposed deal, we win.  Sitting back and looking at it, why are we winning?  We're not spending more money.  We are, however, willing to go beyond traditional ads and be creative.  Major brands will not work with eHarmony in this regard.  If I can be in situations head-to-head for business development, I love that.  Christian content is just not mainstream.  We look forward to crushing eHarmony.

eHarmony doesn't favor webcams?   Does PerfectMatch favor them?
A few years ago we thought webcam usage would ramp pretty quickly.  One of the difficulties is the inability to audit what is going on in a community.  This is why many sites have struggled.  The same goes with recorded video.  We just don't have time to review it all.  Also, when we work so hard to build a brand, the last thing we want is a someone uploading inappropriate content. 

eHarmony excludes homosexuals.  What’s PerfectMatch’s position on homosexuals?
We never have and never will judge our members.  We built a community to allow people to find sincere relationships, so of course, we allow individuals to pursue same sex relationships.  I find eHarmony's exclusion of homosexuals almost as appalling as the notion of them excluding people who've been married a couple of times…because the assumption is they never will be happy in a relationship.  To me, it’s absolutely laughable for some 70-year-old guy, who is sitting on the king’s throne in Pasadena, to judge men and women in this culture in such a way.  Relationships go bad.  But, that doesn't mean these people are not worthy of ultimately finding love.  It's really ridiculous. 

What does the future hold?
We're very excited for the online relationship and dating spaces.  Some exciting things are happening at both sites.  Dating sites like Yahoo Personals and Match, but we're still troubled with True's approach, though. We would like them to get away from the business of having to use suggestive female photos to drive members.  I think that hurts both the dating and relationships space.  We remain very committed and excited about the future.  We’re there to compete and win.  And, when we win, our members will win, by finding that special person. 

Mark Brooks: After the interview Duane gave me a heads up on the following upcoming Dr Phil show…

"Finding Your PerfectMatch, June 3rd on Dr. Phil Dr. Phil wants to help make some love connections! Along with PerfectMatch.com, he's setting the entire studio audience up with their "perfect match!" Then, he kicks off "The Dating Game" … Dr. Phil style! See what happens when Bree, who's been unlucky in love, quizzes three bachelors who are supposedly right for her and then chooses her man. And, Dr. Phil sends two singles on a date that will test their true compatibility … as future parents. If you haven't met the partner of your dreams, find out what you could be doing wrong."

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